Gerski1716
20:54
LilyLionmane1500
20:54
Game study: Gerski - LilyLionmane1
Shitate | Gerski |
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Uwate | LilyLionmane |
Time control | 1200秒+0秒 |
Start | 2021.06.08 |
terminationTag | Normal |
Site | https://lishogi.org/l6pOpp8c |
Event | Standard simul https://lishogi.org/simul/JRc5LQzR |
Chat room
- LilyLionmane
and you were attacking where i was strong - Rida
3rd file is a good choice here - Rida
actually almost any file is - LilyLionmane
i think you lost the game by playing rook on pawns rather than just pulling the rook back - dumbidiot198
once I made my rook move away from coordination I was worse - LilyLionmane
yeah this would be interesting maybe rida - Rida
the reasoning behind choosing 4th file is to be closer to the king - dumbidiot198
and my plan to spread you thin backfired to make you strong everywhere - LilyLionmane
yup - dumbidiot198
gtg - dumbidiot198
dinner - LilyLionmane
have a good one - dumbidiot198
cya - LilyLionmane
im not sure of the plan here for you rida - LilyLionmane
but this gold shape i made feels interesting - LilyLionmane
so i wanted to try it - Rida
nakabisha works too - LilyLionmane
ah doesnt uwate usually make kanikakoi though? - Rida
Hmm I don't like the gold shape, it is interesting but doesnt look good to me - Rida
i feel like if this gold shape was on the right - Rida
it would have been better - Rida
because it attacks the bishop - LilyLionmane
maybe but your attack was coming from the left - LilyLionmane
so spending time to defend on the right feels not great for me - Rida
I see - LilyLionmane
this became an extremely complicated battle - Rida
True, it is very complicated - LilyLionmane
maybe just taking the knight is correct - Rida
Hmm I see - LilyLionmane
and i think this silver move was a turning point - Rida
this was the game changing mistake - Rida
You can find such a move in almost all of our matches ;-; - LilyLionmane
yes. i am able to see short tactics but my intuition is terrible :p - LilyLionmane
and here the rook going back was wrong because it sped up myattack - Rida
I see, true - LilyLionmane
interesting that it also cannot go here - Rida
hmm - Rida
ah - LilyLionmane
not tsumero here - Rida
true - LilyLionmane
about 8 different threatmates for me - LilyLionmane
or just easy mate - LilyLionmane
:p - Rida
3te XD - Rida
Well lesson learnt - Rida
Do you know why I took the silver at move 53? - Rida
my thinking process was this: - LilyLionmane
oh king escape - Rida
but then after taking it - LilyLionmane
yeah but 1te hurts more - Rida
i noticed the tsume in 1 if i retook - Rida
Yeah I only noticed after taking - Rida
sadly - LilyLionmane
and i actually misread here - LilyLionmane
you can just drop gold ;w; - LilyLionmane
its probably close to equal - Rida
but then my hope for a counterattack vanishes - Rida
T-T - LilyLionmane
remember- if you cant speed up your attack- then you have to slow down mine - Rida
Good point - LilyLionmane
and of course thisis tsume - Rida
Yes - LilyLionmane
it was a good game - Rida
I agree, thank you - LilyLionmane
thank you - Gerski
thx for invite - LilyLionmane
no problem! - LilyLionmane
thanks for joining - LilyLionmane
now the last game - LilyLionmane
-game 7 was a time forfeit because the other person was afk - LilyLionmane
so i cannot complain about making a castle. i think its very important even in handicap - LilyLionmane
but there is a problem - LilyLionmane
in this shape the rook is on the same side as the king and is stuck in the castle - LilyLionmane
i think you wanted to make mino castle - LilyLionmane
so a better move order would be this - LilyLionmane
move the rook out of the way first - Gerski
u right - AnnieNonymous
Yea that makes a lot more sense - LilyLionmane
and here the king is safer and the rook is active - LilyLionmane
its a good rule of thumb to castle on the opposite side of the board as your rook - LilyLionmane
but it is broken in some less common strategies - LilyLionmane
looking at bishop exchange... - LilyLionmane
so right away you moved one of the generals in your castle - LilyLionmane
so your castle became weaker here - LilyLionmane
now around this timing there is some weakness around the king - LilyLionmane
so maybe before starting the fight you can finish castling - AnnieNonymous
What would a finished castle look like? - LilyLionmane
well this would be ok even - Rida
this is called a "cozy castle" - LilyLionmane
but usually you want 2 golds and 1 silver - AnnieNonymous
This was my second ever game so the structural ideas are new to me - LilyLionmane
no rida this is kimura mino - Rida
ohh right - LilyLionmane
ah i see - LilyLionmane
you played very well for having just started - AnnieNonymous
I play chess (intermediate level) so some of this makes sense, but I feel like the more I play the more I'll understand - AnnieNonymous
I noticed the blocking of the rook as I did it too and felt pretty dumb lol - LilyLionmane
www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL587865CAE59EB84A videos 17-20 of this playlist cover the different castling shapes - AnnieNonymous
Would I use my second silver to attack then? Since the castle is 2 gold 1 silver - AnnieNonymous
Or would it float somewhere in the middle - LilyLionmane
yes. sometimes you can make a 4 general castle but those can become a bit passive - LilyLionmane
the silver can also defend the other side of the board - LilyLionmane
it can attack - LilyLionmane
or you can even make a 2 general castle - LilyLionmane
with both generals attacking or on the other side - LilyLionmane
but 2 general castles can be a bit dangerous - AnnieNonymous
But the trade off is that I have a weaker defense sure - LilyLionmane
yeah. shogi is a game of balance - LilyLionmane
anything you commit to attacking is not going to be defending and vice versa - Rida
the good thing about 2phc is that you dont need to worry about defense too much - LilyLionmane
its still good to have a castle though - LilyLionmane
rida... - Rida
yes - LilyLionmane
anyway - LilyLionmane
i wouldnt make this pawn move - LilyLionmane
since its right in front of your king its really playing with fire - LilyLionmane
i can drop something here at any time - LilyLionmane
and start attacking the king - Rida
(i didnt do a castle and I lost so take lily's advice) - AnnieNonymous
^ - AnnieNonymous
That's something I'm trying to get used to thinking of - LilyLionmane
this is a nice idea - LilyLionmane
but making a tokin here is a bit slow - AnnieNonymous
Squares that are open for dropping - Gerski
nice commentary LL - LilyLionmane
its 3 moves from affecting my king - LilyLionmane
and its the only attacking piece - LilyLionmane
so i have a lot of time to attack here - LilyLionmane
also i could defend it like this if i needed - AnnieNonymous
So it would've been better to commit pieces to defending against your attack instead - LilyLionmane
at this point i think the problem is your shape is not very coordinated. so its pretty difficult - LilyLionmane
this lance drop is quite scary - LilyLionmane
so i think if yo uwant to make the edge attack here - LilyLionmane
dont trade the pieces right away like this - LilyLionmane
but add more pieces to the attack first - LilyLionmane
its a good point to attack from if you coordinate it properly - AnnieNonymous
Got it - LilyLionmane
also starting a fight with an unfinished castle is quite dangerous too - LilyLionmane
maybe get a pawn in hand first - Gerski
gote lost here - LilyLionmane
maybe something like this - LilyLionmane
this bishop drop is even dangerous actually - LilyLionmane
so i guess dont sac and do this - LilyLionmane
all game specific but its better to build up an attack and make sure you will break through - LilyLionmane
then to rush and give me a chance at counterplay - AnnieNonymous
Sure - LilyLionmane
you mentioned that youre a chess player so im sure none of that is news to you though :p - AnnieNonymous
I'm only barely 1100 on chess.com so it's nothing impressive haha - AnnieNonymous
Any advice you can offer is 100% welcome - AnnieNonymous
Even if it overlaps with what I'm familiar with - LilyLionmane
well i can help with shogi but not much with chess ;-; only 2000 there - LilyLionmane
but the tactics really favored me here because your shape was a bit awkward - LilyLionmane
notice how all of these generals are disconnected - AnnieNonymous
Yea - LilyLionmane
ideally you want your generals to be connected - AnnieNonymous
It's literally a red carpet welcome for you - LilyLionmane
like this - LilyLionmane
see how they all defend eachother - AnnieNonymous
Right - LilyLionmane
also the shape i made sort of has that purpose - LilyLionmane
pretty much no matter what i do if the fight happens in the center my generals will stay somewhat connected - LilyLionmane
so its possible for me to defend and defend and defend then counterattack once i have pieces in hand - LilyLionmane
i mentioned this hole earlyer - LilyLionmane
earlier - LilyLionmane
see how much slower my attack would be if i couldnt drop there. - LilyLionmane
i wouldnt have such an easy time to surround the king - LilyLionmane
so pushing that pawn earlier was a big mistake - AnnieNonymous
Basically cost me the match yea - LilyLionmane
just imagining theres a pawn here - LilyLionmane
my bishop has to come back - LilyLionmane
then you can maybe make a scary attack from the side like this - LilyLionmane
shogi is not a game of material like chess is. its a game of speed. - LilyLionmane
so in this position im very close to making checkmate threats - LilyLionmane
and you are still really far from my king - LilyLionmane
so in this endgame i have the advantage - LilyLionmane
then pulling back the silver here removed both defenders of the mating square - LilyLionmane
this is a super important pattern to remember - LilyLionmane
called gold on head - LilyLionmane
i think its the first pattern that is shown in killerduckys tsume study actually - AnnieNonymous
After this game I don't think I'll ever forget it haha - LilyLionmane
then i guess this variation you can see that i am able to make an attack and youre not able to yet - LilyLionmane
so i have a huge advantage - LilyLionmane
i would say the worst situation in shogi- is one where you just have to defend and defend and dont have any way to make a counterattack - LilyLionmane
with piece drops. no defense will hold forever - AnnieNonymous
When trying to create an attack, does it make sense to go for flank attacks, or is it generally just better to strike in the centre? - LilyLionmane
it depends - LilyLionmane
attack where your opponent is weak - LilyLionmane
so i think www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL587865CAE59EB84A videos 14 then 17-20 of this playlist are super important. for castling - LilyLionmane
then 30-34 for endgame - LilyLionmane
and i guess 16 eventually but impasse wont be relevant for a while anyway so dont worry too much about it - AnnieNonymous
I'll binge watch those tonight then - LilyLionmane
yeah theyre a really good resource - LilyLionmane
hidetchi is all of our sensei i think - LilyLionmane
and karo - Rida
Thank you for the game and analysis - AnnieNonymous
I'll have to send them both a letter of thanks then haha - AnnieNonymous
Thanks so much! It was super fun and really helpful - LilyLionmane
im glad! - LilyLionmane
thanks everyone from playing! - benjaminshuit
thank you ;D
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