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Game study: jienjien - j_771

Start2022/11/05 00:01:50
End2022/11/05 00:36:40
Sitehttps://lishogi.org/e14V352D
EventCasual Classical game
Time control10分+60秒
Sentejienjien
Gotej_77
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  1. jienjienhello
  2. j_77hey
  3. jienjienyou know there's two main branches of shogi?
  4. jienjienstatic rook and ranging (swinging) rook?
  5. j_77static rook and the other one?
  6. jienjienyeah
  7. j_77ye
  8. jienjienso in theory
  9. jienjienthere's 3 different matchups right?
  10. j_77makes sense
  11. jienjiens v r, s v s , r v r
  12. jienjienso in static vs ranging games like this one, you need to make a different castle , one that is more protecting attack from the right side
  13. jienjienattack that is coming from the right side **
  14. jienjienthe castle you're making now is defending more on the front
  15. j_77I see
  16. j_77how do I make one strong to the side?
  17. jienjienso if you see your opponent plays rook to the left
  18. jienjienthen you can either use these silvers to attack
  19. jienjienwrong branch
  20. j_77sorry I messed with the board
  21. jienjienno worries
  22. j_77I see, what's this called?
  23. jienjienit's called boat castle
  24. jienjienit's like a boat
  25. j_77what did I do against the static rook?
  26. jienjieni remembered it was this Gangi shape
  27. jienjieni'll play random moves
  28. jienjiensilver could be in these squares
  29. jienjienanyways
  30. j_77I feel like my silver gets stuck by the pawns
  31. jienjienyou just need to remember how to attack with silver and rook
  32. j_77like I tried moving it up the board in our game, and it became a liability
  33. jienjienyeah because i counterattacked before you could do anything
  34. j_77thank you for this by the way, I appreciate your time
  35. jienjienno worries
  36. jienjienlet's say i play random moves again
  37. jienjienyou'd want to start the attack like this
  38. jienjienRemember this attacking shape
  39. j_77trying to make silver, pawn and rook triad
  40. jienjiensomething like that
  41. j_77and is that winning for the dragon side?
  42. jienjienthis is not good example
  43. jienjienyeah dragon side is winning
  44. jienjienbecause you succeeded in promoting
  45. jienjienyour rook
  46. j_77How would you use the dragon to win, it seems like the king is very safe
  47. jienjienbasically you have some pieces after you enter the camp
  48. jienjienso you use them to leverage the situation
  49. j_77"get good" ahahah
  50. j_77yeah, makes sense
  51. jienjienyou can just gobble up the rest
  52. jienjienlike
  53. jienjienmake more promoted pawns
  54. j_77I see
  55. jienjienyea
  56. jienjientokins (promoted pawn) are very menacing
  57. jienjieneffective attacking pieces
  58. jienjienslow, but deadly
  59. j_77I've seen them as supports a lot in tsume
  60. jienjienalso remember this shape
  61. j_77that's beautiful
  62. jienjien"One square gap dragon"
  63. jienjienin japanese it's called Ikkenryu
  64. jienjienvery nice shape to remember
  65. jienjienyou can do it vertically as well
  66. jienjienking can't take the dropped piece because it's protected
  67. jienjienyou can also do it with a knight to "pry" open the pawn
  68. j_77Oh damn
  69. jienjienas static rook side , you are not afraid of bishop trades
  70. j_77if I pushed my 4 pawn and moved my silver up, would that of been a better castle?
  71. j_77and how come?
  72. jienjienif you do this your bishop is blocked
  73. jienjienok the reason you want to trade bishops is this
  74. jienjienok ranging rook side plays defensively, right?
  75. jienjienclosing bishop diagonal
  76. jienjienand bishop is protecting this 8f square
  77. j_77ohh I see
  78. jienjienlike it keeps the pressure on the bishop
  79. jienjienlike if ranging rook side plays wrongly you can break in on 8th file
  80. jienjienonce the bishop is not there anymore
  81. jienjienbad example but i hope you understand it xD
  82. j_77yeah, that makes sense
  83. j_77very interesting
  84. jienjienmaybe you can sac bishop to break into 8th file, idk
  85. jienjiennow the silver is gone i can't defend this
  86. jienjienoh there's pawn drop
  87. jienjienthis was quite good actually
  88. jienjieni accidentally pressed takeback
  89. j_77really??
  90. j_77I would of assumed I was losing
  91. jienjienmy rook is blocked
  92. jienjieni can't do anything in like
  93. jienjien5 moves
  94. jienjienwhere as
  95. jienjienyou just need one move to promote you dragon
  96. j_77ah yes, it was a genius sacrifice, I totally didn't miss the knight
  97. jienjienwho is faster xD
  98. jienjienif you had a better castle you might win in this position
  99. jienjienso the importance of castles show in the endgame
  100. jienjienbecause it delays the opponent attack
  101. jienjiennah that is just too much xD
  102. j_77those engine moves are insane
  103. jienjienmaybe you can do this as well
  104. jienjiena defending attacking move
  105. jienjienok
  106. j_77so in s v r, static side wants the bishop trade and the plan is to break through on the 8th file
  107. jienjienyeah
  108. j_77what is the plan of ranging rook side?
  109. jienjienranging rook side is to figure out a way to break in from the left side or trade rooks
  110. jienjienand win with a stronger castle (faster attacking tempo)
  111. jienjienbecause usually boat castle is less durable than Mino castle (the one i have)
  112. jienjientakes less moves to break boat
  113. j_77hmm, in s v s does anyone want to trade bishops?
  114. jienjienbut static rook side have some mino castle breaking techniques as well
  115. jienjiensvs trading bishop is very normal
  116. j_77Is there a place to look up puzzles for breaking different castle types and plans for it?
  117. jienjienhmm
  118. jienjienplay
  119. j_77hahaaha
  120. jienjienwait
  121. jienjiendad came in to talk to me
  122. jienjienhaha
  123. jienjienplayshogi
  124. jienjienlet me find the link
  125. j_77oh, hahaha
  126. j_77i thought you were just saying play more lmao
  127. jienjienplayshogi.com/#Lessons:null
  128. jienjienyea he interupted me midway typing
  129. jienjienwas kinda annoyed
  130. jienjienxD
  131. j_77sorry to hear tha
  132. j_77that
  133. jienjienin that link you can go through different strategies
  134. jienjienthere's opening middlegame and endgame
  135. jienjiencastle breaking is in middlegame
  136. j_77that's such a useful link, wow
  137. jienjienyea unfortunately this was mate after bishop promotes
  138. jienjienyeah Karolina sensei and her husband is working on that website
  139. j_77couldn't resist the rook, damn
  140. jienjienit's a great website for tsumeshogi as well
  141. jienjiencheck out the public collection
  142. jienjienplayshogi.com/#PublicCollections:null
  143. jienjiengo to problem collection
  144. j_77engine lines are very long
  145. jienjienThanks for the game :D
  146. j_77what is a 4kyu by the way? I know dan >> kyu, but that's all
  147. jienjienhow should i call you?
  148. j_77and you!
  149. jienjien4kyu is like...
  150. jienjienmaybe 1300?
  151. j_77My name is Jacob, people online usually call me Sherlly
  152. j_77that would a 1-Dan be?
  153. jienjienHi jacob :D
  154. j_77Hey, what do I call you?
  155. jienjien1dan would be around 1500 i think
  156. jienjienjust Jien
  157. j_77Oh, I thought that'd be way higher
  158. j_77what's the highest rank?
  159. jienjienthere's a graph made by killerducky
  160. jienjienwait
  161. jienjienkillerducky.github.io/shogi/ratings.html
  162. jienjienand because lishogi ratings start at 1500
  163. jienjienit's kinda weird already
  164. j_77so realistically
  165. j_77I could probably get a max of 3-dan in my life
  166. jienjienhm don't be like that
  167. j_77similar to how adult chess players, the best they get is usually around 2000 is a lot of work
  168. jienjienthere's a player named Muse in our server
  169. jienjienhe was probably .. i forgot his rating
  170. jienjiensay 2000+++
  171. jienjienhe's now a 5dan
  172. jienjienit just takes practice
  173. j_77damn
  174. jienjienso kyus go lower when you go up in rank
  175. jienjienfrom 10 kyu to 1kyu
  176. j_77I had a lot of time to pour into chess, less so with shogi because I have jobs and things ahaha
  177. jienjienthen 1kyu to 1 dan , 2dan , 3 dan
  178. j_77Where abouts are you from by the way?
  179. j_77ahh okay
  180. jienjienyeah he already quit chess so he can focus on shogi
  181. j_77so I'd be like, a 20 kyu ahahah
  182. jienjienxD nah you probably play like a 6kyu now but with learning proper lines and correct way to defend you'll go higher
  183. j_77Excited for the day I can have a fair match with you
  184. j_77thank you for your help
  185. jienjienyou're welcome :)
  186. jienjienif you have any questions just ask
  187. j_77added you as a friend on discord btw
  188. jienjienyup
  189. jienjienalright :D
  190. jienjiensee you around Jacob
  191. j_77see you :_
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