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1P-762P-843R-684P-855B-776P-547K-488S-429K-3810S-5311P-6612P-7413P-6514S71-6215S-7816K-4216.B-3117.P-1618.P-6419.Px6420.Sx6417S-6718P-6418.K-3219.K-2820.G61-5221.P-1622.P-3423.Bx22+24.Kx2225.B*7726.N-3318.P-3419S-6619.S-5620.N-7321.Px6422.Sx6423.P*6524.S64-5324.Sx6525.Sx6526.Nx6527.Rx6525.P-6420N-7320.P-3421.Px6422.Sx6423.P*6524.Sx6525.Sx6526.Bx77+27.Nx7728.P-8629.Sx5430.Px87+31.P*6332.+Px7733.Px62+34.+Px6831.S-53+32.Kx5333.N-6534.K-4235.S*5336.K-3237.Sx62+37.N-73+38.Nx7338.Gx6239.N-53+40.Gx5341.R-61+21Px6422Sx6423P-5623.P*6524.S64-5325.P-56over this? pos 124P*6525S-5726K-32isnt this a better version for me?26.P-75pos 227.Px7528.Sx7527.R-7828.Px7629.B-5930.S-7531.S-6832.P-8633.Px8634.Sx8630.P-3431.N-7732.Px77+31.Rx7632.Bx99+32.P*7533.R-7827K-2828G61-5229S-3830P-7531Px7532Sx7533P*7434S-7635B-9536G-6337Px73+38Sx7339P*7740Sx87+41Rx6542P*6443R-6844P-9445P*8346R-8147Bx73+48Gx7349S*8250R-6151Sx73+52P-3453N*5354R-7155Nx41+56Rx4157Rx6458B*7559R-62+60R-4261G*5262Rx5263+Rx5264G*4265+Rx4266Bx4267+S-6368R*6569+S-5270Rx69+71+Sx4272Kx4273R*7274G*5275P*6876S*5877Gx5878+Rx5879S*6180G*5181Sx52+82Gx5283G*3284Kx3285Rx52+86G*4287B*4188K-3389G*3290K-2491+Rx4292S*4993G*2594Kx2595G*2695.P-9696K-1497G*25Sente wins by checkmate.

Game study: jienjien - hubskrt1

Start2022/11/17 15:02:16
End2022/11/17 15:36:10
Sitehttps://lishogi.org/vWRcomZs
EventCasual Classical game
Time control15分+60秒
Sentejienjien
Gotehubskrt
Chat room
  1. jienjienSorry Aaneliia i misclicked xD
  2. hubskrtgreat thanks
  3. jienjieni think i kinda made a mistake with that silver push
  4. jienjienyou had some chance there i think
  5. hubskrthadnt seen this rook move before, i just thought id put the king to the other side of the rook
  6. jienjienyea that's good
  7. jienjienyea
  8. jienjieni thought you were going for this bishop move
  9. jienjienbut you didnt' so i was a bit confused
  10. hubskrti wanted to to put the king on 23 first,
  11. jienjiennow there's 2 vs 1 , if that makes sense
  12. hubskrtand keep the option open to play pawn 43, and open the bishop up that way
  13. jienjienI see
  14. jienjienThen you shouldn't push this pawn early
  15. jienjienwhen pawns collide there's no turning back
  16. jienjienYes
  17. jienjienor
  18. jienjienSorry
  19. jienjienyea silver wassn't there to protect
  20. jienjienyea i would castle here
  21. jienjienalso if you use your left silver to attack, be prepared to have less defenders
  22. hubskrti thought golds to defend and silvers are better to attack?
  23. jienjienif you had the silver in the castle , you can use the silver to retake bishop, and not leaving king in the big diagonal
  24. jienjiengenerally you can play shogi however you want, but usually we use 2 golds and 1 silver to defend the king
  25. jienjienso you have to decide which silver you want for defense
  26. hubskrtid guess the one defending the bishop more often in defence?
  27. jienjienyes
  28. jienjienbut it depends on which strategy you are playing
  29. jienjienit's true if you are playing static rook
  30. hubskrti was thinking about opening my bishop here
  31. jienjienit's a nice chance to open the bishop
  32. jienjienYes
  33. hubskrtis this good for me?
  34. jienjienthis is how you break in
  35. hubskrti guess the rook opens up
  36. jienjieni wouldnt say good but it opens the rook yes
  37. jienjienyou are losing slightly by castle strength and my rook is slower than your rook
  38. jienjienif that makes sense
  39. jienjientrue
  40. jienjiennice move
  41. hubskrtto check is to chae :)
  42. jienjienit's blocked again
  43. jienjienyes
  44. jienjieni would have to give up so much material just to break in
  45. hubskrti always miss the knight defending
  46. hubskrtfor some reason
  47. jienjienkinda weird but maybe the fact that it's 9x9
  48. jienjienhaha
  49. jienjiena lot of chess players get confused too
  50. jienjienso in this position you have some advantage here
  51. hubskrtright
  52. hubskrtwhy didnt you drop here?
  53. jienjienyou can just retreat
  54. jienjienand i block myself
  55. hubskrtso you prefer this?
  56. jienjiennot really
  57. jienjienhaha
  58. hubskrtwhy not?
  59. hubskrtbecause your rook has an open file?
  60. jienjieni don't prefer this because
  61. jienjienyou have a faster attack
  62. jienjienhow do you respond to this?
  63. jienjienat this position, if i were you i would play this
  64. jienjienremember this shape?
  65. hubskrtim confused now, what do position do you prefer for you?
  66. jienjienas i said i made a mistake in the opening
  67. hubskrtwhat was the mistake?
  68. jienjienthe silver move
  69. jienjieni prefer this i think
  70. jienjienkeeps my rook open
  71. jienjienone small mistake
  72. jienjienbecause of where i put my silver
  73. jienjienxD
  74. hubskrti see
  75. jienjienso here
  76. jienjienwith the mistake i made with the silver
  77. jienjienyou could have punished it with this pawn push
  78. jienjienand open up your bishop here
  79. jienjienyea
  80. jienjieni lose the knight
  81. jienjienadvantage for you
  82. hubskrtright missed the pawn
  83. jienjienjust small mistakes
  84. jienjieni think you play well
  85. hubskrtthanks
  86. jienjienjust need to know how to form a better attack as static rook
  87. hubskrtyou too
  88. hubskrti only know urushino
  89. hubskrtwhere i just send the silver to glory
  90. jienjienthe goal of static rook is to break in the enemy camp and promote the rook
  91. jienjienhaha yea
  92. jienjienit's a nice strat
  93. jienjieni would be hurting if you can play like this
  94. jienjienhaha
  95. hubskrtbut i was reading better moves for better shogi, and there both sides prepare much longer before clashing
  96. jienjienyes
  97. jienjienso
  98. jienjienyou know the different matchups
  99. jienjienranging rook tend to be a bit passive
  100. hubskrtand playing static rook gives me some more flexibility to respond to opponents setup
  101. hubskrti think
  102. jienjienif you castle your king, they will castle their king as well
  103. jienjienthey will respond to your moves, because static rook is the.. aggressor
  104. jienjienif you play a super quick attack, they will stop castling and fortify their left side
  105. jienjienif that make sense
  106. hubskrtyeah
  107. jienjienso it all depends on what style you want to play
  108. jienjienthere's quick openings and slow openings
  109. jienjienkyuu sen or jikyusen in japanese
  110. jienjienrespectively
  111. jienjienkyuusen is quick attack
  112. hubskrtwhat do you suggest for a beginner?
  113. jienjienjust play whatever opening you are comfortable with
  114. hubskrti only know urushino and static rook i guess
  115. jienjienand when you found the one you like
  116. jienjienyou master it by playing many games, encounter as many lines as you can
  117. jienjiensome players like to use the engine to prepare but i think for me it's a waste of time
  118. jienjienlike
  119. jienjieni think i would give a beginner this advice, play an opening that you like until you reach the middlegame that you prefer to be in
  120. jienjiensome people hate playing 4th file rook, because it's so studied
  121. jienjienor bishop exchange
  122. jienjienor side pawn picker
  123. jienjiendifferent people have different tastes
  124. jienjienlike you can master Gangi castle vs the world, there's some japanese that do it
  125. hubskrti like the opening, i can kinda have an idea of whats going on
  126. jienjienor Duck strategy vs everything
  127. jienjienyea
  128. hubskrtbut the middlegame and endgame is just so much going on
  129. jienjienhaha
  130. jienjienthat's for you to work on
  131. jienjienendgame.. some people just say play more games, or do more tsumeshogi , but in the end everybody is different.
  132. hubskrti like tsumeshogi
  133. jienjiensome learn slower than others, like me xD
  134. hubskrtthere i have an idea whats going on as well
  135. jienjienhave you tried Playshogi.com yet
  136. hubskrtnope
  137. hubskrtis it good?
  138. jienjienit's one of the best for tsumeshogi
  139. jienjienlet me give you this free tsumeshogi pdf book
  140. jienjienbook.mynavi.jp/files/user/shogi_news/free/9784839960384/index.html?page=1
  141. jienjienif goes one page 2 questions and the next page is the answer
  142. jienjienyou just need to learn how to read japanese notation
  143. hubskrtive done 7 better moves for better shogi lectures
  144. hubskrtits fun
  145. hubskrtwhat about lishogi tsume?
  146. jienjienThere's also this endgame book by Tanigawa sensei
  147. jienjienwww2.teu.ac.jp/gamelab/SHOGI/TANIGAWABOOK/tanigawabookmain.html
  148. jienjienlishogi tsume are.. hmm
  149. jienjienwell they are taken from live games, and some are problems contributed by the community
  150. jienjienthe live games one are a bit sketchy because sometimes it's just two ultra beginners missing mates here and there and the position is -
  151. jienjien- all over the place
  152. hubskrtlike me :)
  153. jienjienthere's also technique puzzles i think but i personally didnt try it
  154. hubskrtthanks for all the advice
  155. hubskrtand talking about it
  156. jienjienwell the point of tsumeshogi is to get your calculations super fast
  157. hubskrtwhat handicap do you think we need for an equal game?
  158. jienjienthe baseline for a good adept player is maybe spending less than 30secs for a 3 move tsume
  159. jienjieni think we can try 4p handicap and work from there? what do you think
  160. jienjiena 1dan can probably see a 3 move mate at a glance
  161. jienjienor more like 5 moves
  162. hubskrtright, maybe we can do that another time:)
  163. jienjienyes :)
  164. hubskrtkinda tired now
  165. jienjienthanks for playing and absorbing all this
  166. jienjienhaha
  167. hubskrtshogi is intense
  168. jienjieni hope it wasn't too much
  169. hubskrti have a chess league match tonight
  170. jienjienoh good luck :)
  171. hubskrthopefully the shogi work helps me there
  172. jienjienif you have any games that you want Karo sensei to analyse for you, please feel free
  173. jienjiento use the !kifu to submit the links
  174. hubskrtyeah i might sumbit one
  175. jienjienfingers crossed :)
  176. hubskrtits okay to submit wins right?
  177. jienjienlike submit the games that stumped you will be better for advice
  178. jienjienif you just submit wins she won't have much to say anyways
  179. jienjienok i gtg now kinda late xD
  180. jienjienSee you hub :)
  181. hubskrtim starting to think the 2p game i won wasnt actually against a 1dan
  182. hubskrtgg
  183. jienjienhaha
  184. hubskrtafter this mauling from you
  185. jienjieni don't know if i'm 1dan strength
  186. jienjieni just get super unlucky on 81dojo
  187. hubskrtunlucky how?
  188. jienjieni lose everytime during promotion match
  189. jienjienso i'm forever stuck at 4kyu
  190. jienjienor even 5kyu
  191. hubskrtlishogi.org/BTbUKpKC
  192. hubskrtdo you know this guy?
  193. hubskrthe streams shogi on twitch
  194. jienjienoh yea
  195. jienjieni think he's less than 1dan.. maybe 3kyu? not sure
  196. jienjiendon't worry about ranks that much :p
  197. hubskrtwill do
  198. jienjiencheers mate
  199. hubskrtgoodnight
  200. jienjiengood night
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