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1P-762P-343R-684B-334.P-845.K-486.P-857.K-388.S-629.K-2810.K-4211.S-3812.P-7413.Bx22+14.Sx2215.S-8816.G61-5217.P-1618.K-3216.S-3317.P-1618.S-7319.G69-5820.G61-5221.P-9622.K-325K-485.Bx33+6K-427K-388K-329K-2810K-2210.G-6210.G61-5211P-1612G-3213S-3814S-4215G69-5816Bx88+17Sx8818S-3319S-7720G-5221P-6622G52-4222.P-4423.P-8624.G52-4323P-9624P-8425P-6526P-8526.R-6226.S-6227P-6428Px6429Rx6430P*6331Rx63+32R-6233+Rx6234Sx6235R*8236S-6337Rx81+38R*7939+Rx9139.B*9840Rx89+41P-4642+Rx8742.+Rx9943S-6644N*5445S-5546S-4446.B*7747.P-5646.B*8847.P-5648.N-6647Sx4448Nx4649N*2649.S-5550.Nx38+50.Nx58+51.Gx5852.+R-8853.S-4754.G*6751.Gx3850Nx38+51Gx3852S*2452.Px4453.Nx3454.K-1255.Nx42+52.S*3353.Sx33+54.G42x3355.N*4656.+R-8857.N46x3458.Gx3459.Nx3460.K-3361.G58-4862.N*4663.B*5553Nx3454K-1255Nx42+55.+Rx2156.Kx2157.S*2258.Gx2259.Nx22+60.Kx2261.N*3462.K-3156Gx4257N*3457.G*2258.Kx2259.N*3460.K-3260.K-1261.Nx42+58G-3259Sx43+59.+Rx2160.Kx2161.S*2262.Gx2262.K-1263.B*2163.Nx22+64.Kx2265.N*3466.K-3267.G*4268.K-2169.G*2259.G*2260.Gx2261.Nx22+62.Kx2263.S*3164.K-1265.G*2264.K-3265.G*3365.G*2260P-1461+Sx3262N*3663Px3664B*5565G-3766S-3367+Rx2168K-1369+Rx1170K-2471S*25Gote resigns.

Game study: jienjien - momizi3

Start2022/07/02 00:22:30
End2022/07/02 00:47:20
Sitehttps://lishogi.org/wiK37slp
EventCasual Classical game
Time control15分+60秒
Sentejienjien
Gotemomizi
Chat room
  1. jienjienwhen you trade silvers both silvers go into the hand, so it is "activated"
  2. momiziencouraged you to play the moves you would play anyways?
  3. jienjiensometimes you don't want your opponent to have their pieces in their hand
  4. jienjienyea you helped develop my silver
  5. momiziokay
  6. Sirius0Black0guess nobody wants to hear what I have to say xD
  7. Sirius0Black0I'll just go cry in the corner
  8. momiziand yes I keep forgetting
  9. Siowketanyes, Jien will play the flexible move, and he didnt need to save his knight by dropping bishop too. as this is the concept of "sabaki".
  10. momizithat after takes takes
  11. SiowketanWhich means trading pieces to get a positional advantage.
  12. momizipieces go to the players' hands
  13. jienjienbe more patient sirius, you have much to learn, also too many people talking , it gets confusing
  14. jienjienmomizi is using mobile right?
  15. momizia tablet
  16. momiziSirius0Black0 I am reading you actually
  17. jienjiensirius was asking what move you could do here to attack the silver
  18. momiziI can say はい periodically if that helps
  19. jienjienxD
  20. momiziah
  21. momizithat I missed
  22. momiziI mean
  23. momizinot missed
  24. momiziI thought it was rhetorical
  25. Sirius0Black0not saying it's good mind you, just possible
  26. momizibut what did I actually played?
  27. momiziplay*
  28. jienjienyou played silver
  29. Sirius0Black0that was not good
  30. momiziaaah
  31. momiziI see
  32. Sirius0Black0you gave up a defensive piece for nothing
  33. jienjienye
  34. jienjienbreaks up your castle
  35. momizithe idea was to distract your silver to make a fork with the N
  36. jienjieni was able to get to your king more easily without the silver
  37. momiziI was pretty happy with myself to conceive it
  38. momiziokay, yes
  39. jienjienthe fork was kinda nice actually
  40. momiziI get the point
  41. jienjienit also breaks the castle
  42. Sirius0Black0he is fed up with us laready
  43. jienjienbut your rook was not optimally placed
  44. momiziwhat do we have on the board right now tho?
  45. jienjienif your rook was aligned with the king, it would be more threatening in the future together with the knight fork
  46. momiziyiiiis
  47. momizitrue
  48. momiziI missed it being on the 8 rank
  49. jienjienyou see it right
  50. jienjienyea
  51. jienjienit's also better on the 9th rank
  52. momizioops
  53. Sirius0Black0wait a millisecond
  54. Sirius0Black0something was up here and detective sirius has got to find it
  55. momiziI am holding on
  56. momiziso
  57. momizione thing is that
  58. Sirius0Black0well yeah this is just a piece blunder
  59. momiziS24
  60. momiziwas a blunder blunder
  61. Sirius0Black0free knight
  62. momiziI forgot that S doesn't take sideways.......
  63. jienjienhaha
  64. Sirius0Black0but jien didnt see it or wasnt interested in material, so he turned it more even
  65. Sirius0Black0well
  66. jienjienhow is it a free knight?
  67. Sirius0Black0yeah
  68. Sirius0Black0this is
  69. jienjienno.. he takes my silver or gold
  70. jienjienhow is it free
  71. momiziwhat's free?
  72. Sirius0Black0since you take his silver and his knight, and he can take 1 general and a pawn as compensation
  73. Sirius0Black0when he jumps the knight
  74. Sirius0Black0and he has lost one knight
  75. jienjiennothing is free here
  76. momizinot lost
  77. Sirius0Black0material-wise it's an unequal exchange
  78. momizibut exchanged for the gold
  79. momizithe gold is better!!
  80. momizino?
  81. jienjiengold is slightly better than the silver
  82. Sirius0Black0no, you exchanged a silver and a knight for a gold nad a pawn, and a slightly weaker defense for the both of you
  83. momiziaaah
  84. jienjieni don't like my position here xD
  85. momiziI see
  86. momiziblunder!
  87. momiziwas here
  88. jienjienyea you should have taken the silver
  89. momizia better defensive move
  90. momizithan
  91. momiziI mean
  92. momizianything is better than what I played
  93. momizibut
  94. Sirius0Black0taking the silver also means it isnt tsume instantly
  95. momizithan what we have right now
  96. jienjienyou just misread the silver
  97. momizihere
  98. momizicould I keep
  99. momizilike
  100. Sirius0Black0jien having the silver there is absolutely huge, since it gives him a tsu,e
  101. momizihm
  102. Sirius0Black0maybe double down?
  103. momizioh
  104. momizithat's nasty
  105. Sirius0Black0he can ceep on adding if need be
  106. Sirius0Black0ceep lol
  107. Siowketanceeeep
  108. momizi:ceep:
  109. jienjien:ceep:
  110. momiziokay, here I am also losing
  111. jienjienhere we have a nice mutual attack going , but slightly better for me
  112. momiziso the main mistake was chasing the silver down
  113. Sirius0Black0I think that if played correctly this does give momizi a bit more chances than if you'd saved your silver tho, but being a stickler for
  114. Sirius0Black0material usually isnt very good
  115. jienjienYes i agree
  116. jienjienmore chances for momizi
  117. Sirius0Black0aw darn
  118. Sirius0Black0here tho
  119. Sirius0Black0surprisingly enough no
  120. jienjienlol
  121. jienjienthus the knight drop
  122. momiziI mean
  123. momizithe game's continuation is pretty brutal on its own
  124. Sirius0Black0here tho
  125. Sirius0Black0definite yes
  126. Sirius0Black0cool rook sac and everything
  127. jienjienmm
  128. jienjiensasuga sirius
  129. Siowketanjien you didnt see that? I thought you were giving chances to momizi
  130. jienjien...
  131. Sirius0Black0siowketan is so nice it's patronising
  132. Sirius0Black0gotta have expectations from your fellow shogi experts
  133. jienjienshort brinkmate is better than long checkmate
  134. Sirius0Black0long lul
  135. Sirius0Black0but yeah i guess if you're unsure then it's better
  136. jienjien7 is long for me sirius
  137. jienjieni'm still at 3
  138. Sirius0Black0I'd still go for it most of the time even if I wasnt 110% sure
  139. Sirius0Black0no you're at the very least at 5
  140. jienjienthat's why you're 1dan
  141. Sirius0Black0and I'm not 1dan!
  142. jienjiensays the 1 dan
  143. Sirius0Black0:(
  144. Sirius0Black0since when was i 1dan
  145. jienjienThank you for the game momizi
  146. jienjienThank you siow and especially sirius for analysis
  147. Sirius0Black0thank you for listening to my insane ramblings
  148. jienjienGo to sleep , haha
  149. momizithank you for the game
  150. momiziand the analysis
  151. jienjieni need to go now
  152. jienjienThank you!
  153. jienjiensirius wants to play you in the future
  154. jienjienare you used to the drop rule yet?
  155. Sirius0Black0play you ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
  156. Sirius0Black0jk
  157. jienjienoh one more position before i go
  158. momizidrop rule?
  159. jienjienthe piece drop mechanic, are you good with it yet
  160. momiziah
  161. momizinot quite
  162. jienjienIn this position, find a better move than P-85
  163. momizimmm
  164. momizi?
  165. jienjienthat works too
  166. momizibut that renders P-84 useless
  167. jienjiensilver works too
  168. momiziyes
  169. Sirius0Black0at this point that is better
  170. momizithis is better
  171. jienjienye
  172. momizibuuuut!
  173. momiziI wanted
  174. jienjienbutt
  175. jienjiensilver pyramid scheme
  176. momizia light cone
  177. jienjienthese are all different silvers with different names
  178. momizia silverlight cone!
  179. jienjienxD
  180. Sirius0Black0there are more more more more more
  181. Sirius0Black0tehre we go:)
  182. jienjienbut seriously these are legit strats
  183. momiziyes
  184. jienjiendepending on the game
  185. momizithat looks good
  186. jienjienand matchup
  187. momiziwhat's matchup?
  188. jienjienso remember this proverb, attack with rook bishop silver and pawn (and knight)
  189. jienjienmatchup is like ranging vs static, static vs static, ranging vs ranging
  190. momiziah
  191. momiziI remember
  192. jienjienok i gotta go
  193. jienjienwhooooosh!!!**
  194. momiziit's not that easy to implement tho
  195. Sirius0Black0it gets more intuitive as you play
  196. momiziyea sure
  197. momizithanks again!
  198. Sirius0Black0byejien
  199. jienjienno problem
  200. jienjienwhooooosshhh x2
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